they've been talking about debt, deficit, austerity, cuts, and then they say that you're just outrageous or a kook if you don't buy their line. one of the reasons they've shot so much our way is because we are not afraid, we believe that we're going to stand up and stand for what we believe? >> well, let's really focus on kookism now because your budget includes more money for food assistance program. >> right. >> when michele bachmann shoek at cpac on saturday she made a gross falsehood, a claim about money for poverty programs winding up in the hands of bureaucrats. let me read how "the washington post" concludes its four pinocchio ruling on that claim. so bachmann yet again earns four pinocchios but there really aren't enough pinocchios so such misleading use of statistics in a major speech. sir, if there is one kook in that house, she surely must qualify. >> well, you know, she is standing up for her ideological position, which is -- >> congressman, she's telling lies. that's not an ideological position, that's an outright lie. >> true, martin, but it does sort of advance what argume